There has been a lot of press this year about Susan Sarandon’s ceremonial procession to lead Timothy Leary’s ashes to the Totem of Confessions, where they were placed underneath the Masturbating Nun (supposedly locked up to
censor protect children from offensive art).
Now, further details are coming out. Most of the people in the parade partook of the “sacrament”, which meant drinking the ashes. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some LSD was mixed into this magic punch.
A number of videos of her speech have been posted online, and covered in mainstream publications like the Daily Mail – but strangely most of them cut the video before she started talking about the CIA. This one contains the full speech, and some analysis about the broader occult context behind it:
Sarandon says “If anyone doesn’t know who Timothy Leary is and you’ve taken acid, you should be ashamed of yourself…he was the leader of the whole thing to take acid away from the CIA, and make it a means of exploration for everybody”.
After the Burn, Sarandon went on the talk show circuit to promote the ritual. Media coverage included People, Hollywood Reporter, Vogue, Entertainment Weekly.
She told Jimmy Kimmel: “Burning Man is a celebration in the desert of all different kinds of people. It’s about self reliance, it’s about acceptance, it seems to be about drugs and nudity – there’s a lot of that too. A lot of art all over the place. This year I had a mission, which was to take Timothy Leary’s ashes, which I had some of, and take them to a chapel…we did drink them”.
Who gave Susan this mission? And who gave Timothy Leary – the man who wrote the CIA’s entrance exam, known as “The Leary” – his mission?
Leary said “at least 80% of the people I ever worked with were part of the CIA”. He described the “Liberal CIA” as “the best mafia you can deal with in the Twentieth Century”. He gave “total credit” to the CIA for creating the entire counter-culture movement.
John Lennon also said “we must remember to thank the CIA and the Army for giving us LSD” in his last interview. He was assassinated by a mind-controlled patsy in front of an ex-CIA doorman a few days later.
In fact it was British agent Aldous Huxley who tasked Leary with forming an “LSD Illuminati” to spread the drug. He did this with the help of members the powerful Mellon banking family, who provided a castle for his cult and helped fund global drug distribution networks after LSD was made illegal in 1966. At that point the CIA was the biggest purchaser of LSD in the world, having bought an estimated 100-250 million trips, or a third of all the acid ever manufactured, from Sandoz in Switzerland – owned by another powerful banking family, the Warburgs.
Huxley’s goal was to use drugs to create painless concentration camps for entire societies. His brother Julian is generally regarded as the father of transhumanism.
Leary’s famous catchphrase “tune in, turn on, drop out” was actually developed on Madison Avenue by marketing
guru philosopher Marshall McLuhan.
There are some interesting parallels between the values of the hippies in the Sixties, who thought they were changing the world with drugs and free love, and today’s socially engineered Burners, who think they are changing the world with “drugs and nudity”, as Sarandon puts it.
Robert Anton Wilson said “perhaps the final secret of the Illuminati is you don’t know you’re a member until it’s too late to get out”…sound familiar, Burners?
Nothing to see here, move along…and be sure to worship the prophets you’re told to.
Sarandon on Jimmy Kimmel live:
The official mini-documentary from Future Eyes TV:
“America is going to become a Burning Man country”
[Update 9/22/15 5:09pm PST]
This occult ritual-within-an-occult ritual was promoted in Burning Man’s official newsletter The Jackrabbit Speaks V19#35, the week before the event started. As usual, not all of the information coming from this source was accurate. In particular, they got the details of his most famous catch-phrase wrong.
Burning Man 2015: Final Resting Place of Timothy Leary
Date: Thursday, September 3
Time and Locations:
6:00 pm – Gathering at Cirque Gitane (8:15 & Geek)
6:30 pm – Art Car Procession to the Man.
7:00 pm – Join forces with the Billion Bunny March Against Humanity.
7:30 pm – Marching Band, Art Car, Kazoo processional to Totem of Confessions. Electric Kool-Aid party
“One of the most famous countercultural icons of the 1960s, Timothy Leary, was among a small group of renowned social scientists who abandoned traditional Western methodologies for the sacred culture of Tibetan Buddhism in an effort to pursue mystical revelation and personal liberation. As an advocate of guided meditation through hallucinogenic drug use, Leary initiated a cultural renaissance with his ‘turn off, tune in, drop out’ mantra. After his death in 1996, several grams of Leary’s ashes were launched into space aboard a Pegasus rocket. The rest of his ashes were dispersed amongst loved ones, some of which are making their way to the playa this year through Cirque Gitane, an intergalactic travel camp located at 8:15 & Geek.
On Thursday at sundown, Cirque Gitane will encourage everyone on the playa to be a part of a Timothy Leary extravaganza. This celebration of Leary’s life will turn into an elaborate funeral procession that will travel through the playa to veteran artist Michael Garlington’s ‘Totem of Confessions’ on the 3:00 Promenade and 1600 feet from the Man.
The march will culminate with the ashes being placed inside the ‘Totem of Confessions,’ and when the Totem is burned, the ashes will burn with it. Burning Man will be one of the final resting places of this exceptional man, who President Richard Nixon called ‘the most dangerous man in America’. Leary taught people to tap into the wisdom of indigenous cultures and to treat the natural world as an extension of themselves.”
(Photo by Philip H. Bailey, CC-BY-SA)
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This video in the original post was fairly good as a representation of Burning Man. No added music track – all actual camera track sound. Some good editing in the camera – needs some work. Points off for screwing around with the optics over the lens, and the “man in the street interview” cut ins. Otherwise the video post was pretty clean.
Some further reading on Huxley’s involvement in MKULTRA, corresponding with its key players, having his personal physician (who dosed him with mescaline before he wrote the Doors of Perception) brought in to play a major role by CIA founder and Rockefeller lawyer Allen Dulles (both he and Huxley were members of the Century Club, East coast version of Bohemian Club)
Discussion of Huxley recruiting Leary and naming the drug genre
I doubt ANYONE but me and you are getting through that article. You find it convincing because it’s telling you things you want to be true, for some reason. The field of people interested in psychedelics in the 50s/early 60s was small. People met and talked to each other. The CIA and its fronts paid for conferences and some research. Even this lengthy article has no proof whatever that Huxley and Leary were parts of some MKULTRA plan. As intellectuals philosophers and polemicists, the likes of Leary and Huxley believed that wider use of LSD would be good for the world. They may have been right or wrong. The idea that the CIA WANTED wider use of LSD is merely stated or surmised, never proved. There is no reason to believe it is true, and there is no discernable goal of them other then getting into bizarre paranoid religious “because they are PURE EVIL” reason in the era we are talking about that they would have wanted to. (“Student rebellion” antiwar all that stuff came long AFTER.) As I said below, all these articles (from the same paranoid, misreading, overinterpreting source) do not actually prove what they purport to prove.
I keep providing more and more evidence, in response to your requests. You keep saying “but that’s not a smoking gun! Give me better evidence!”. Which I’ve been doing – at least, trying to.
Now you say “there’s too much evidence! Only you and me are reading it at this point!”
Try these books for a pretty good overview of the evolution of this modern “counter culture”, combining chemicals and cybernetics. They all contain a great deal of evidence, citations, primary documents and so on which support what I am saying.
As to your direct point:
Dr. Louis Jolyon West, who was also a friend of Aldous Huxley, makes clear this agenda:
The role of drugs in the exercise of political control is also coming under increasing discussion. Control can be through prohibition or supply. The total or even partial prohibition of drugs gives the government considerable leverage for other types of control. An example would be the selective application of drug laws permitting immediate search, or “no knock” entry, against selected components of the population such as members of certain minority groups or political organizations.
But a government could also supply drugs to help control a population. This method, foreseen by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World (1932), has the governing element employing drugs selectively to manipulate the governed in various ways.
To a large extent the numerous rural and urban communes, which provide great freedom for private drug use and where hallucinogens are widely used today, are actually subsidized by our society. Their perpetuation is aided by parental or other family remittances, welfare, and unemployment payments, and benign neglect by the police. In fact, it may be more convenient and perhaps even more economical to keep the growing numbers of chronic drug users (especially of the hallucinogens) fairly isolated and also out of the labor market, with its millions of unemployed. To society, the communards with their hallucinogenic drugs are probably less bothersome–and less expensive–if they are living apart, than if they are engaging in alternative modes of expressing their alienation, such as active, organized, vigorous political protest and dissent. […] The hallucinogens presently comprise a moderate but significant portion of the total drug problem in Western society. The foregoing may provide a certain frame of reference against which not only the social but also the clinical problems created by these drugs can be considered.
~ Louis Jolyon West
[Source: Louis Jolyon West in Hallucinations: Behaviour, Experience, and Theory by Ronald K. Siegel and Louis Jolyon West, 1975. ISBN 978-1-135-16726-4. pp. 298 ff.
via Gnostic Media: Entheogens What’s In A Name]
It’s not evidence. It’s just so long and convoluted it can fool people not reading carefully into thinking it’s evidence. I’ve read 2/3 of the books you list here, and none of them provide evidence for your assertions that 1) LSD was invented not by HOffman in the story he tells and for the reason he tells in 38 and first used in 43 and psilocybin was synthesized long before he claims, but was rather invented and used for deliberate social control purposed by theosophist secret socities; that Huxley and Leary were agents of or had their agendas controleld by CIA for the purposes of genocide; or that the promotion and release of LSD into semi-semi-mass popular use was deliberately planned by the CIA for some incredibly vague and barely noticable social control agenda that has something to do with genocide/eugenics…?? All of that is just feeding the desire for fear of a world controlled by sinister forces that pleases you, and I’m glad it does…..we are I’m sure testing the patience of any other poor person reading your fine site, so I will likely be bowing out now.
1) transcript of Willis Harman speaking on abc radio. Comments from Marty Lee about Captain Al Hubbards first hand account to him confirming it. Links to information about true synthesizer of this ancient substance, including Hoffmans own words. Other links to background on theosophy / anthrosophy info.
2) Learys own words in the OP. btw he wrote a book called The Intelligence Agents. Richard Helms was a frequent visitor to Millbrook.
Many links on Huxley. I never said the CIA paid him. It would be more appropriate to call this group Intelligence, as Miles Mathis does, than get fixated on any one particular branch.
3) direct quote from MKULTRA doctor describing exactly that.
Anyway thanks for the thread drift. I will consider more effective means of getting my information out, since 17 references in the original article was insufficient for you.
ok, you get one more! Again, for the benefit of the reader. You are obviously an intelligent man who is choosing to remain obdurate or to choose peculiar epistemological standards for your own pleasure. But to repeat, mostly: that two people (associates of each other with curious histories of making strange claims) make a claim that goes against all other historical evidence and provide no evidence but their saying it for the claim, would not strike most people as proof of that claim, particularly one as bizarre and Sax Rohmer novel as “it was secretly invented before anyone admitted it by a mystic cult.” You have a very curious resistence to understanding the form of human expression best described as “literary” in your insistance that Huxley’s warnings about drugged tyranny are evidence of his being part of a plan for it, and thinking that TIm writing a book called THE INTELLIGENCE AGENTS is evidence he was a literal CIA agent. (I read that book about 15 times when I was a teen. Anyone who read even half of it once would understand your reference to it has nothing to do with anything you are trying to prove.) If you don’t think Huxley was MKULTRA, then a whole lot of the fearmongering you started with about eugenics and mind control doesn’t make much sense, for example this from you: “Try this one as a starter. Everyone who was employed by MKULTRA is part of the same team, IMO.
Most of these citations are actually in the article; I have provided more on our Facebook page in response to other challengers.
Huxley was MKULTRA, but I never said he was paid by the CIA. Try the first one of the books I suggested, Daniel Estulin’s book on Tavistock, for the most concise collection of supporting evidence. I’m presuming that’s one of the books you didn’t read (but dismiss its contents because you read some of the others!)
You’ve tried the Straw Man and Appeal to Ridicule arguments here multiple times. If that’s your “epistemological standards”, that’s fine – but it doesn’t mean I have to sink to that level. I will continue to amass and share evidence. Readers can make up their own minds about what is fact, what is conjecture, and what is bluster. Smoking gun or not, I have been sharing facts and also references to back them up.
General Bert Stubblebine confirms Huxleys role as head of MKULTRA
Someone with more experience and patience did a better laying out of the flaws in the general epistemological and historical style of Jan Irvin, the source (when it isn’t Lyndon Larouche) of most of Steve’s thoughts on these matters. Again, worth reading for those wondering how much weight to place on Irvin: http://realitysandwich.com/162177/paranoia_psychedelic_mushroom_community/
(I know, I lied about being done with this conversation. What can I say, like Steve I’m fascinated by this stuff and can’t resist….)
Can’t resist the ad hominems!
We welcome the discussion anyway, engagement is what it’s all about. I never said I expect everyone to agree with all of my opinions. But if you don’t agree , that doesn’t automatically mean I’m ignorant and uninformed. You should at least consider the possibility that you don’t have all the information yourself! Reason, right?
At least one of the books you sight (Storming Heaven), disagrees with your theory. It is certain that the CIA were very interested in research on LSD. They were looking for a truth serum and a mind control drug. What they discovered was…it didn’t work. LSD frees the mind and makes it more acute, just the opposite of what you want in a mind control drug. As far as truth, yes it makes people more confident to speak their mind, it’s just the truth they come up with is stuff like “we are all connected”, which was not very helpful to the CIA. They were very angry that their little toy escaped into the wider society, which is why they went after Leary and Kesey legally, despite LSD being virtually harmless and useful in psychotherapy.
Steve, you might enjoy adding to your soupcon of pieces of the 50s LSD puzzle my discussion of its little-known role in the nascent libertarian movement in the 50s, on pages 271-282 of my book RADICALS FOR CAPITALISM. Might be able to add some new suggestive bits of sinister shadow to your sense of the story of Acid in America…
Storming Heaven talks about some successful tech companies founded in the sixties (ADP was one I believe) by partners inspired by their LSD experiences.
WHAT THE DORMOUSE SAID good entire book on “links” between acid and the modern tech world.
Agreed, great book. Far from comprehensive though.
After reading this stuff I am going to go put Pink Floyd’s Dark Side Of The Moon on the Victrola – and cue up Wizard Of Oz on the VHS – because, as Thomas Pynchon said, “Everything is connected”. . . Well, it appears to be in certain parts of California (and now a week in Nevada) anyway.
From the author of Acid Dreams, via Jan Irvin. Note Hubbard was employed at SRI by Willis Harman.
MARTY LEE. That is one story. There is another story which I did not put in my book. According to Captain Al Hubbard, Hofmann did not discover it in 1943, nor in ’38, but much earlier. (Captain Alfred M. Hubbard was the spy who became the first Johnny Apple- seed of LSD) According to Hubbard, Hofmann was part of a small group of people who were nominally connected with Steiner’s anthroposophy group in the early 30’s and they systematically decided and set out to make a peace pill to help mankind. They saw the beginnings of the Nazi emergence, so they consciously set out to make something like LSD, which they did and then kept it secret from the world.
Now there is absolutely no evidence to confirm that, and Captain Al Hubbard is an exaggerator. Hubbard is an aggrandizer. He likes to be the one who knows. That’s his character. But it’s a curious story and I would not completely discount it. Hubbard knows a lot of things. The basic outline of one rather wild story he told a friend of mine proved correct, although some of the details may be exaggerated. This particular tale, I could not confirm.
Regarding secret societies — well, when you come down to it, the CIA is a secret society. And within the CIA, there are all kinds of secret societies operating. The Freemasons are in the CIA. The Knights of Malta are in the CIA, and other groups. These different secret societies are not just within the CIA but in the corporate world, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the FBI, the Defense Department, etcetera. These societies, if we understood them, might help delineate certain factions within the power elite. I think it works on two levels. For the proletariat — for the rest of us — the Rotary, Masonry, doesn’t really mean anything.
More here about pre-WW2 psychedelics research in Germany
Hubbard was a super interesting character. But he was also an egomaniac and pathological exaggerator. I won’t even say liar, because I know his type, they like to exaggerate and implicate themselves in things of import, and like the quote says, “be the one who knows.” As soon as either he’s debunked or on the off chance he was right and that knowledge gets into the mainstream, he’ll invent something else just to be back in that position of exclusive knowledge.
Anyway, the quote above questions the veracity of Hubbard’s story multiple times, so I’m not sure why you’d include it here as evidence.
Also cite in Leary’s own words that he was a “big time eugenicist” if he’s one of the people you mean by “these guys.” It sounds like you have a well developed con theory about who “really” invented LSD; cites on that as well? (Though we are obviously in a world where “cites” are meaningless as we can just presume any words written by anyone we decide doesn’t fit our narrative are lies or myths. Might be!)
Try this one as a starter. Everyone who was employed by MKULTRA is part of the same team, IMO.
Most of these citations are actually in the article; I have provided more on our Facebook page in response to other challengers.
That’s a basic intellectual difference between us, and one we aren’t going to hash out: let’s just say that my own experience and understanding of life does NOT lead me to believe in a generally cultish or conspiratorial view of how the world works, which includes not believing that anyone who in anyway had “links” or even a paycheck from an organization is in fact a lifelong worker toward its goals, or even that orgs on CIA or US govt level HAVE unified goals that are being worked toward in a singularly intelligent way. That said, it is worth remembering that ALL of what goes on not in front of our own eyes and about half of what does, we might have NO IDEA about no matter what anyone else says or writes. But that includes the scary weird cult conspiracy stuff that the very skeptical of all the sayings and writings of faraway strangers seem to think must be gospel if a faraway stranger said or wrote it.
Once CIA, always CIA… That’s not just my opinion. We can’t hash out intellectual differences with references and primary documents? Shame. Well, at least your book exposed Danger Ranger as a drug dealer! “Federal fugitive” indeed.
Your documents don’t prove what you think they prove. (I also am missing the smoking gun document that Leary received a CIA paycheck, but please post it below.) Leary described the meaning of association with CIA quite well with his “mafia” comment. I am politely admitting that once one chooses to believe everyone is a sinister liar, then “history” becomes pretty meaningless. I’m just saying my experience in life on the peripheries of some circles of power lead me to a core different view of how the world works—one that might be wrong. You seem quite sure your scary cult conspiracy one is not wrong, and of COURSE I’m not going to convince you otherwise. For other readers, jsut remember: if a whole bunch of books and sayings from the “norm world” can all be complete lies, so can books and sayings from the “cool conspiracy world” minus lots of corroboration that goes beyond other words other people said.
“Once CIA, always CIA…”
There’s a difference between being employed by the CIA as an agent, with all the training and security clearances and lifetime secrecy oaths that entails, and having done work for the CIA on a contracting basis, which is what Leary did, at best.
“…and having done work for the CIA on a contracting basis…” > You mean like Snowden was a contractor to the NSA?
No, not like that. Snowden worked directly under the NSA and physically at NSA offices.
Unless I’m missing even wilder accusations, the best people pin on Leary is (and I don’t even know if this is DOCUMETED fact or just surmised) is: CIA money went to the program at Harvard under which he taught and researched. So, like, you work for an organization and that organization gets money from another org, so you are a lifelong supporter of every goal that organization supposedly had, even if you never actually said or wrote or did anything in direct support of those supposed goals. (Eugenics in this case.)
I do recommend anyone who cares read that gnosticmedia link and decide for themselves if it proves anything sinister or conspiratorial at all about Huxley, Leary, or Esalen. It’s an incredibly undocumented series of bizarre assertions, and, once again, interpreting Huxley’s ALARMED PREDICTIONS for sinister plans.
It’s also interesting if you follow the comment thread you’ll see that Lyndon Larouche is the likely proximate source of some of that acid and Tavistock fearmongering. True story: one of my college roommates was the son of one of Larouche’s longtime top lietenants. And then I wrote a book about Burning Man! And I went to a Boho Grove meeting (not at Grove.). And I met and interviewed Timothy Leary for print! Links! Links are everywhere! Can it all be a coincidence?
You’ll want this in your LSD files if it isn;t already:
From that article:
“My feeling is that the word “X” for MDMA is directly related (to the X Club).”
My feeling has always been that “X” referred to the first syllable in the word Ecstacy, truncating a word like much of street slang does. I mean seriously, which interpretation is a greater logical leap? And this kind of thinking permeates not just that article, but conspiracy theory thinking in general.
Also see this . Willis Harman said Hoffman did not “invent” LSD on a bicycle one day .
Harman says a lot of things, and they are weird and disturbing so those wired to accept (without evidence…) weird and disturbing things can choose to believe them. Do you believe he’s provided corroborated or verifiable evidence for his occult secret society claims?
I have proof that he [Willis Harman from military contractor SRI] attended Bohemian Grove. And that his IONS has been conducting occult scientific experiments at Burning Man. Is that the sort of thing you’re looking for? What constitutes “verifiable evidence of occult secret society membership” to you? Do you have any evidence AGAINST these claims?
Evidence besides Harmon writing the words that LSD-25 was invented by the secret society he asserts and not via the story Hoffman has been telling for years and that has survived the standard means of corroborated history as far as I know. What does attending Bohemian Grove mean to you? I attended a Boho Grove meeting, tho at an LA restaurant, not the Grove. “Can you prove it ISN’T true”—it was the Church of Scientology that last tried that one on me. Nope, but I’m just reminding you that Hoffman’s story has been out there going thru the standard things that every bit of “understood history” goes thru, and Harmon just seems to have written a bunch of words. I repeat, if we choose to think it, we have NO IDEA about anything at all that happens not in front of our eyes. But I have decided to have a little faith in the standard way history and journalism is done. Skepticism is great, but be exactly as skeptical of the “alt” story as you are of the “mainstream” one. Or don’t, it really doesn’t matter.
If you question mainstream history , be prepared to provide evidence. Which I have been. Where’s yours?
Your evidence is that Harmon typed some words. Mine is that HOffman did, and did so very publicly for many decades through the standard processes of establishing historical truth, and as far as I know no one has provided any evidence he was lying. Harmon, from what you’ve presented, typed some words. Did he have any documents or letters from this alleged SS discussing the invention or use of LSD and psylocibib i 1938 (Hoffman of course acknowledged invention of it then, claims no use til 43). Or did he just type some words? Why do you believe those words, besides that they make the world seem stranger and scarier and that feels interesting?
Why do I believe in conspiracies? Any serious student of history acknowledges that 2 or more people have teamed up to commit a crime before.
Actually if I followed the trail on that Harmon quote correctly he was said to have SAID it on an ABC Radio news program of some sort in 1977 in an academic paper by Piper on the Perutz novel that seemed to have predicted an LSD like substance Is that it? If there’s more I’m interested but I gotta say that’s thin evidence to believe that that statement from Harmon’s mouth is true, or verifiably true.
Your comment about conspiracies is a very good reason to believe that conspiracies can occur. If you believe they are sufficient reason to believe that anything anyone says that states or implies a conspiracy is occuring must be true because, well, conspiracies can and do exist, that’s perhaps not entirely reliable epistemology. But if you are enjoying it, enjoy! The Harmon thing seems REMARKABLY thin, and even the only apparent academic reference to it admits that there is zero evidence for it besides words out of Harmon’s mouth.
Here is a link to (one of, are there more you have ev for) Noetic Studies “occult scientific experiments.” If anyone on reading them finds them scary or think they in any way corroborate the idea that the standard history of LSD is a lie to cover for theosophists in 1930s Germany, that’s their prerogative: http://www.noetic.org/research/project/mindatlarge
Thank you Brian for writing more clearly and eloquently about conspiracy theories than I have been able to muster. I also believe it comes down to fundamentally different ways of experiencing the world, most specifically in the need to pin most if not all of the world’s ills on identifiable sources, which of course lends some certainty that some people need in an uncertain world. Same thing that religion, or even scientism, does.
Perhaps you think all history is just a string of unconnected random events, that mysteriously repeat themselves in similar patterns. Study a bit deeper and you find that most big historical things are connected. Follow the money is always a good way to start.
It’s no conspiracy theory that Leary worked with/for the CIA or that Huxley was a eugenicist. Whatever evidence I provide to support it is not going to change the minds of those who refuse to consider it.
Agreed, Leary did some work for the CIA, and Huxley was a eugenicist. The CIA has proven through the decades to want a piece of just about anyone doing innovative work. That doesn’t mean Leary and Huxley and the CIA were conspiring to create mental concentration camps.
It’s been my experience that lots of things are connected in unintentional ways based on proximity and basic human interdependence. But to go from that to a grand intentional conspiracy is a leap of faith. I disagree with Brian that conspiracy thinking makes the world scarier. To me, it seems to make the world less scary, more orderly and easier to understand and, ultimately, control.
More orderly…like a New World Order?
Yes, exactly like that. In that conspiracy, there is a small group of people controlling the world. With the belief that someone is steering the ship, we can then blame the world’s ills on an identifiable source. I’m sure that’s comforting to some.
So why does it say Novus Ordo Seclorum on the back of our Federal Reserve Notes?
Read The Creature From Jekyll Island for further details.
Because it’s from Virgil, dude (thank you Classics lectures!), it translates to “new order of the ages”:
The great order of the ages is born afresh.
And now justice returns, honored rules return
And a quick search shows this:
“It was proposed by Charles Thomson, the Latin expert who was involved in the design of the Great Seal of the United States, to signify ‘the beginning of the new American Era’ as of the date of the Declaration of Independence.”
As Brian said, we can choose to believe whatever sources we want. I choose to believe those put under the most scrutiny.
Here’s Hoffman in his own words, revealing that his boss Arthur Stoll was the first to isolate ergotamine, in 1918.
” Looking for a new field of research, I asked Professor Stoll to let me continue the investigations on the alkaloids of ergot, which he had begun in 1917 and which had led directly to the isolation of ergotamine in 1918. Ergotamine, discovered by Stoll, was the first ergot alkaloid obtained in pure chemical form…
Ergot, more than any other drug, has a fascinating history, in the course of which its role and meaning have been reversed: once dreaded as a poison, in the course of time it has changed to a rich storehouse of valuable remedies. Ergot first appeared on the stage of history in the early Middle Ages, as the cause of outbreaks of mass poisonings affecting thousands of persons at a time. The illness, whose connection with ergot was for a long time obscure, appeared in two characteristic forms, one gangrenous (ergotismus gangraenosus) and the other convulsive (ergotismus convulsivus). Popular names for ergotism—such as “mal des ardents,” “ignis sacer,” “heiliges Feuer,” or “St. Anthony’s fire”—refer to the gangrenous form of the disease. The patron saint of ergotism victims was St. Anthony, and it was primarily the Order of St. Anthony that treated these patients. ”
That sounds legit. How does it contribute to your conspiracy theory?
What conspiracy theory? You guys are just asking for further evidence and I keep providing it. You’re the ones crying conspiracy theory, not me.
Yeah, I could be wrong on this but isn’t the “official story” that HOffman was working on multiple derivations (possibly misusing a technical term) of ergotamine and LSD-25 was one of them, derived in 1938. This does nothing to suggest HOffman is a liar, or that the SRI buddies Hubbard and Harmon are correct that it was a secret society occult experiment for mind control or whatever.
Please say what that bit about ergotomine is meant to be evidence FOR beyond its own simple fact. What I’m arguing is your claim that LSD and psylocibin were deliberately developed by theosophists for mind control goals and that the standard via Hoffman tale of LSDs derivation and first use are lies. What you wrote has nothing to do with any of that.
Don’t know about the rest of you, but I am going to wait for the movie.
I am thinking it might be a musical, no?
Just saw an early treatment for the movie. Opening premise is that these guys’ bodies were all surreptitiously stolen by the CIA and kept in the “body locker” for research. Early line: “We hack into centrifuges and depose presidents. Do you really think some funeral parlor or crypt is going to be a challenge?”
As the movie opens, a new resurrection drug is being tested on them. Leery and Huxley are the first to rise. They go into a duet arguing about intent vs. results, and the effect this new drug would have on the practice of eugenics.
Generally seems like a ripoff of “1776” as to musical structure. Might do better on Broadway.
Some commentary on Leary’s transhumanist/eugenicist views.
Here is the one mention of the word “eugenics” from that article:
“Although Leary’s book is silent when it comes to eugenics, he depicted SMI2LE as a way for humans to improve themselves via ‘neurogenetic evolution pre-programmed by DNA.'”
Is that eugenics? There are lots of people running around today looking to improve their own and/or humanities mental and physical capacities through various means, but I don’t think of most of them as eugenicists. For my own clarification, here is the dictionary definition:
“the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)”
Was Leary advocating for discouraging or encouraging reproduction of any group of people? Is someone like Aubrey de Grey a eugenicist for wanting to extend human life expectancy?
Rather than second hand commentary, I’ve read and in some cases re read everything Tim wrote along SMILE lines and it so exactly entirely 1000 percent reversal from “elite enslaving humanity toward eugenics” that, well, it’s as nutty as believing that everything Huxley said and wrote warning about drugged tyranny was actually an attempt to create drugged tyranny. It’s not worth arguing with, really, but as always this is for readers, not the people supposedly having a back and forth. SMILE was about taking the power to transcend limits of time, space, and genes for yourself and everyone. Very libertarian in spirit.
Eugenics. Not dysgenics. Utopias, not dystopias. People want to be led to a utopia, a “brave new world order”. Like Burning Man!
Huxleys comments in his speech are not accidental. He is not lamenting that his dystopian novel turned out to be true. He was part of the Children of The Sun occult secret society and worked with Fabian head of British Intelligence HG Wells and Eric Blair (Orwell) .
Huxley letter to Orwell
A writer comparing notes with another writer. I agree with Huxley, his version is more plausible. Does that mean I’m also advocating for it?
I think what’s under debate is if Huxley was advocating his dystopic ideas . Brian and others think he spent 30 years of his life promoting them ruefully, and marveling at how they accidentally came true against his wishes. Whereas I think he spent those years developing the ideas with some of the smartest scientists of the day, as did his brother. When he gave a speech discussing in detail his ideas, that was to promote them, not decry them. Huxley was all about the 0.5% ruling the 99.5% with pharmacological and electronic means.
There isn’t really any “debate” about it. I mean, if you are just going to assert because it fits a preconceived invented notion that someone meant exactly the opposite of what they said or implied about something their whole professional life, with as near as I can tell no evidence WHATSOEVER for it (not a single instance of, hmm, in this personal letter to a friend he admitted “heh heh for some reason I let EVERYONE IN THE WORLD misunderstand the meaning of my most famous book decrying drugged tyranny in dramatic form and mislead everyone into thinking I believe it was “malevolent” and a “problem” because somehow fooling people about that will help my REAL goal of imposing a drugged tyranny via my satrap Leary who I gave marching orders to (and yet also in personal letters to friends complained that he was being far too reckless and quick to encourage the use of this drug I want everyone to use, which couldn’t possiblye be of any value in creating a drugged tyranny and of course has not led to such in any way” then there is nothing to debate about. You’ve decided you believe it, and since EVERY BIT OF EVIDENCE IN THE WORLD is against it, there is nothing to debate about it!
Wow. You think a) you have every piece of evidence in the world and b) you have presented that here in defense of your position?
Steve, you’ve caught me being hyperbolic. It’s one of those bits of “literary” expression that you and Irvin seem to think don’t exist. But I said it, and there it is. Let me expand: of course neither I, you, Irvin, or anyone but God has seen “every bit of evidence in the world.” But it’s my way of showing respect to Irvin and you, smart guys who care about this topic more than about 10 other people on earth as far as I know and who seem to be very dedicated to proving your point. And I figure you guys would lay out the evidence you have, out of respect for the people in the world you are trying to convince. And since you guys, as far as I’ve seen, have got nothing that doesn’t involve asserting that Huxley actually meant the complete opposite of everything he said or wrote or implied (and the definition of “implication” is so key to all this con theory stuff), with no reason given for why he would do that except that he’s evil (or his brother is evil, or some organization that funded an organization that funded a conference that he attended has members who are evil….), and no context for claiming he’s evil other than asserting that you think he is, I don’t know how far down that road I can walk with you guys.
Sorry if I didn’t lay out every piece of research myself and others have ever done about Aldous Huxley, Julian Huxley, Thomas Henry Huxley, and their cohorts such as H G Wells, Charles Babbage and the Webss, in comments to a story about Susan Sarandon and Timothy Leary.
I have noted your point about insufficient evidence and will be addressing that shortly, I hope to a satisfactory level of thoroughness…”coming soon”. The counter culture is a funny old thing, and didn’t just magically emerge by accident one day in a spontaneous pit of naked people and free hallucinogens.
Citation in Huxley’s own words that “His idea was to drug people into thinking they were free when in fact they were in a concentration camp.” (If it’s just that you think that his novel BRAVE NEW WORLD was actually sincere wish fulfillment, then never mind.)
You can listen to the entire speech at UC Berkeley here Brian. I am not putting words in Huxley’s mouth!
I never said I was quoting BNW, although of course he outlined this concept “fictionally” in that book, The Island, and others. BTW he was a founder of Esalen, along with a couple of Stanford/military guys.
Check out this one too
There is a distinction between predicting an outcome and desiring it/working toward it.
Sure. And there’s a huge body of evidence showing that Huxley spent most of his career working towards it. I just re-listened to his 1962 SF speech in its entirety, it sure is a shocker. He references BNW as being ideas 30 years before when he wrote it, and being totally possible with today’s technology. (That was 53 years ago. It is my sincere belief that technology has developed significantly over the last > half century)
Clearly, he succeeded – as the Orwell/Huxley cartoon in my SOMA link shows.
I am on a plane now so can’t post any further links for you, but please check out the many ones I already did.
So it is exactly what I guessed at the start….you think that BNW was not cautionary but what he was advocating. I don’t think that’s true, so no amount of pointing to “he wrote or said that the world would be that way!” at all proves he worked toward or wanted it to be that way. You are just scaring yourself, which is cool if you enjoy it.
Nope. Tons of evidence. Check out gnosticmedia.com or just listen to Huxleys speech I linked to
“Denying this is foolish. Gore said and wrote that global warming would lead to icecap melting and sea level rise over and over. Listen to his hideous, mocking southern drawl…”
Haha! He does have an insipid voice. Insipid sounds like insidious. Conspiracy!
“Island” (not “The Island” as suggested) was a refutation of BNW in Huxley’s own hand. BNW was written before he tried psilocybin. “Doors of Perception” and “Island were written after, when he realized some drugs didn’t dull perception, but enhanced it. Huxley came to believe society would be greatly improved if our best and brightest used psychedelics (he didn’t think they were for the masses). Leary thought anyone who wanted to try psychedelics could benefit from them and they should have the freedom of their own consciousness. Kesey believed everyone could benefit from the experience, even if they were dosed against their will. Read “Storming Heaven”. Best book ever written on the subject.
I don’t believe any more that Steve even believes this; it’s just too completely obviously on the surface not true. But for readers., here is the fuller context of Huxley’s “revolution” comment in the 62 lecture: ” “It seems to me that the nature of the ultimate revolution with which we are now faced is precisely this: That we are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy who have always existed and presumably will always exist to get people to love their servitude. This is the, it seems to me, the ultimate in malevolent revolutions shall we say, and this is a problem which has interested me many years and about which I wrote thirty years ago, a fable, Brave New World, which is an account of society making use of all the devices available and some of the devices which I imagined to be possible making use of them in order to, first of all, to standardize the population, to iron out inconvenient human differences, to create, to say, mass produced models of human beings arranged in some sort of scientific caste system.”
Keep listening !
Guide me to the part in that too long speech where Huxley clearly states something like “everyone thinks I intended BNW as a horrible cautionary tale, but that’s not true. I WANT the world to be chemically enslaved.” The quote you already gave doesn’t come close.
“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution”
Grade: C+. Sorry Aldous. Good ideas but serious run-on sentence.
That sounds like he’s warning people about the possibility, not advocating for it. I mean come on. Has Al been Gore warning people about climate change or advocating for it all these years. Can people make predictions without wanting them to come true?
If you doubt the context, listen to the whole speech. You can hear his tone of voice, his laughs, etc.
I’m sure he was your typical cynical, imperious upper-class British intellectual. Ever here Martin Amis sneer at how the world is falling apart in an almost gleeful manner? Or Will Self? Do you think those two are advocating for it? How about Christopher Hitchens? He made all kinds of predictions, usually while drunk and chuckling to himself. Come on, man.
A web site in 40 years: “Al Gore, whose links with the CIA were well known, for years conspired to warm the earth enough so that ice caps would melt and destroy coastlines as part of their longterm plan for eugenics.”
“…but will rather enjoy it…”” > a/k/a Professional Sports. Bread, circuses, drugs, cake, religion – all ways to placate and divert the attention of the masses so they don’t notice what the people in charge are doing.
…Oh, look at that Burning Man commercial…
Is every recreational or spiritual activity a deliberate construct to divert attention away from the wizards behind the curtain? That’s a rather dire and condescending view of humanity.
Yes, if it’s pointless, circular and not productive. And nothing I said was spiritual or even recreational: Bread, circuses, drugs, cake, religion. Cheering for professional sports is not. Eating cheap or sweet food is not. Taking drugs is not. Religion and it’s dogma are not. If spiritual activities enrich your perspective or understanding, or recreation helps your spirit, or health, that’s productive.
Oh boy, you’ve really got it all figured out. Please tell me you’re not older than a college sophomore.
Yes, when it comes to placating the masses. Is it a mystery to you why Trump is leading the in the polls? Do you know why we spend more in sports facilities than libraries? Do you know why we have “pollution standards” for cars?
The quote you are sighting is a warning, not what he wanted. It is the same warning that is the theme of BNW. BNW was a early work, he changed his opinion after taking psilocybin and wrote “Island” as an example of a society where drugs were a tool leading to wisdom. The inhabitants of the Island were Buddhist pacifists that allow themselves to be destroyed rather than abandon their principles. Naturally Huxley thought a society like BNW was more likely (our drugs are TV and consumerism) but he didn’t advocate it, just the opposite.
He tasked Leary with forming an LSD Illuminati! He was a major player in MKULTRA.
OK, I’ll bite some more. “Studies have shown” (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/30/sports-fan-mental-health-benefits_n_6565314.html) that being a fan of a sports team and socializing with other fans and, yes, cheering for your team, are actually beneficial to one’s health, mostly due to the communal nature of sports fandom. Similar benefits have been found for belonging to a church (any church) and attending services (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/21/opinion/sunday/luhrmann-why-going-to-church-is-good-for-you.html?_r=0). It’s all about community and collective focus.
There’s also recreation for recreation’s sake. Humans aren’t meant to be productive 24/7.
Same could have been said of the Nuremberg rallies.
If you choose to do something, that’s great. When government takes its money and selectively enhances an activity for diversion and profit, that’s something bad. Pickup game of B-ball, good; professional Basketball teams, bad.
Do you know who has the highest paid state job is in most states? Really, how does that move us forward? Nobody ever got hired or invented a new cancer therapy because their alma-mater had a winning football team.
I have to say, it took longer than I expected, but gladly, the Hitler audible has finally been called. Whew!
Professional (and big college) sports is corrupt like most all large institutions are corrupt, that doesn’t mean being fan of it in some way has no benefits. I agree, college coaches are WAY overpaid. I’m not a big fan of publicly funded stadiums, but government selectively enhancing, through funding, all kinds of things. Stadiums, solar power, soybeans, etc. etc.
Yeah, stadiums and solar power are the same. Cut the funding of stadiums, cut the funding of solar – same effect.
And I should point out, that study was referring specifically to fandom, not playing a pick-up game.
Thinking is hard. Not thinking is easy. Group-think is fun – reduces stress, increases group productivity. Almost as good as a coma.
Documentary proof that Huxley received CIA money as part of MK-ULTRA? Not just some loon on the internet typing it, but some actual document or report from an academic or researcher who reliably reports seeing such documentary evidence, or verbal report from multiple verified CIA MK-ULTRA agents or operatives.
What does money have to do with it? What about proof he was giving orders and recommending experiments? Surely that would be more meaningful.
If one is claiming someone is working for an organization for that organization’s sinister goals, one should know that someone WORKED FOR THAT ORGANIZATION. Look, psychedelics existed. They are interesting things. Organizations like the CIA became interested in them. Intellectuals like Huxley became interested in them. THey said and did things in the world involving them. But why associate Huxley with MK ULTRA if you don’t know that he was doing things as part of/paid by/under direction and for the goals of the CIA? You are just thoughtlessly lumping anything anyone said or did involving psych drugs into one muddled sinister plot. It doesn’t make any sense. He thoughts they were interesting drugs and could have positive effects, but was (in my mind) way too elitist and mandarin about who should be using them and why. The likes of Leary and his aftereffects kind of blew that up.
I wonder if Martin Shkreli and other Turing Pharma associates go to Burning Man? It is now the perfect vacation for brainstorming radical CEO schemes.
I bet the airport logs would tell us. He looks like a Burner
“It is now the perfect vacation for brainstorming radical CEO schemes.” > Just how do you know that?
That’s what CEOs say about going to BM. In their own words. Its just Shkreli is a more openly psychopath than most. I just wouldn’t be surprised if he has been. Seems the type.
Although most CEOs claim to come up with more positive-ish ideas than Shkreli.
Here’s the truth http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://t3.gstatic.com/images%3Fq%3Dtbn:ANd9GcS283ZNjrlVJ0cpArioEZguIoY4WsY4GLzAUYQ-5FkltwVJWKMh&imgrefurl=http://books.google.com/books/about/Storming_Heaven.html?id%3DWWmAE3kiNzsC%26source%3Dkp_cover&h=650&w=437&tbnid=h2A50u-k9humDM:&tbnh=160&tbnw=107&usg=__F9ISNOs1BOJdE7UQ7xWguWfavTI=&docid=VmYux5pkvMJfBM&itg=1
It’s a good book, and full of truth. But it’s not “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”.
This whole charade was all about and for Sarandon. Leary was merely a vehicle for this attention grab.
It worked too.
Too bad Entertainment Tonight wasn’t there to record every moment of this sacred event. Maybe next year!
What a joke.
Maybe she’s trying to start her own cult or something? With her, of course, as the High Priestess?
Dear Burners, this is soooooooo very timely. It was indeed Susan Sarandon’s Camp, Cirque Gitane, located at 8:15 & G, that I reported about the Latino laborers discrimination.
I had long heard that Susan Sarandon was a good Burner. And she writes: “Burning Man is a celebration in the desert of all different kinds of people. It’s about self reliance, it’s about acceptance, it seems to be about drugs and nudity – there’s a lot of that too….” But this shows that she does’t even know the discrimination that happen in her own camp. My hope is that this very article reaches her………. and that she works to align her Camp to the Ten Principles……….. and that if she decides to bring Latino laborers again in the future, they are treated as EQUAL BURNER Participants!! Someone please forward my article to her!! THANK YOU! Buena Chica
“My hope is that this very article reaches her…”
You must not be very committed to what you wrote. If you were, as the primary source, you would get your info to all the mainstream media that have mentioned her and the NV burn.
She’s @susansarandon on Twitter. Seems like a good a burner to me. Coincidentally, we were in the Petit Ermitage a few days before BM this year. She was there, as well as a big French contingent heading to the Burn. We got shushed for laughing while a comedy film was playing.
Got shushed for being real or authentic perhaps?
You’ve got to be more pretentious and pompous if you want to hang in these circles!
..and you would want to hang in these circles because?….
>I reported about the Latino laborers discrimination.
Again, the only basis for your charge of discrimination and racism against this camp is that the workers weren’t allowed to partake in the festivities. They did the job they were hired to do and that didn’t including partying with their employers. That’s neither discrimination or racism, and quite careless and offensive to make such unwarranted accusations.
It’s Burning Man. There is no ‘hiring’. There is no ‘job’. There are no ’employers’. Such distinctions, ranks, classes are not allowed. These people are not commodities. They are All participants partying with other participants.
There is hiring, there are jobs and there are employers.
Sounds good, Trevor. Where do you find that? I wanna come participate.
Um, there were over 9,000 paid positions on the playa this year according to the population statistics that have been reported. Look it up. It appears you’re living in a delusional bubble filled with the Burner cult kool aid.
My information is 9350 last year and 15500 this year – not necessarily “paid positions”, more “anyone but paid participants”. There were 70,000 paid participants according to Pershing Sheriff Jerry Allen
15500 “anyone but paid participants” are not burners in my book. Lemme see… that’s over 17%, more than 1 out of 6 were not burners. Ugh.
Well, almost 1 out of 6 (actually 5.9). You get the idea.
For fuck’s sake, that’s the number of people who didn’t pay for tickets – primarily volunteers and art grant recipients.
The number of paid workers on the playa is far lower. Most are long-time volunteer burner Org employees who have been “promoted” from volunteer positions into volunteer supervisors and other temporary management roles and put in a huge number of hours as worker/participants (on 3 or 4-week contracts). Others are specialized contractors who pump potties. Law enforcement, although not contracted directly by the Org, sort of fits in that category as well, and certainly count as paid workers on the playa.
Some burners are paid (in cash or kind). This is where the borders start to get more fuzzy – I don’t personally have a problem with a burner (veteran or not) working off their ticket and camp fees in order to participate in the event. I think that is somehow different that a camp hiring laborers off the street or through an ad
“I think that is somehow different that a camp hiring laborers off the street or through an ad” > Let me make this simple: if going to the NV burn helps you pay your rent, you are not a burner. That is all.
>…I reported about the Latino laborers discrimination.
You didn’t report about any discrimination, you cited no examples of discrimination. You simply reported that Latinos built their camp. Hiring Latino laborers is not discrimination.
Following the advice of George Carlin, I would be more concerned about his brother, Really Leary.
The procession was pure narcissism. Why make a big show out of what most people consider a somber and subdued act? Oh right, because she’s famous and Leary was famous, so she needs that ego hit even out on the playa. And people are paying attention to it because of her fame. It’s about as removed from what makes Burning Man unique as possible.
Although totally in line with the occult ritual aspects, such as lighting the fire that burns The Man in a cauldron named El Diabla in the middle of a pentagram.
Yes yes, hail Satan, etc.
Or something like that…
Is that Crimson Rose (who took her name from Alesteir Crowley’s Babalon Working, a summoning of the AntiChrist which was conducted by Marvel “Jack” Parsons and L Ron “Naval Intelligence” Hubbard to usher in the New Aeon of Horus)
Can you express that as a diagram or flow chart?
A flow chart is not a bad idea. Ancient mystery religion->Templars->Rosicrucians->Jesuits->illuminati->Freemasons->hellfire clubs->Babbage->Fabian society->round table->cfr->oss->nazis->paper clip->ultra-magic deals->CIA->Macy conferences->mkultra->Stewart brand->Sri->Xerox parc->diggers->communiversity->suicide club->cacophony society->mondo 2000->burning man->WIRED->WWW->google->SIRI is the basic flow, although it’s not exactly linear.
“The devil doesn’t come dressed in a red cape and pointy horns. He comes as everything you’ve ever wished for ” – Tucker Max
A hot naked chick with free drugs inviting you to the orgy dome? It’s either the devil, or an undercover narc…or both
Point taken, but then taken away on account of a Tucker Max reference.
It’s not a good ritual unless it can be repeated ad nauseam. Hopefully they saved enough of Leary’s ashes to drink them again every year for the next 10 years, until people puke blood and then they can drink the blood.
Leary fought for freedom of consciousness. Sounds like something to celebrate.
Huxley fought for a prison of the mind. His idea was to drug people into thinking they were free when in fact they were in a concentration camp. Learys idea was to drug people into thinking they were free and then drop out of society to join communes. If you can’t see the parallels, you may already be imprisoned…maybe lay off the acid and shrooms and prescription pharmaceuticals
There is stuff that is a lot easier to find here…
Something tells me you never took a literature class that studied Huxley. “Brave New World” is a DYSTOPIAN novel. Meaning it predicts something BAD. It wasn’t Mein Kampf. It was a warning, It wasn’t advocating anything. Huxley was asked to write a magazine article on the negative affects of taking drugs and that led him to write BNW. After taking psilocybin, he changed his opinion and wrote “Doors of Perception”. This information is not hard to find.
Leary was a nut and an egomaniac, but I think he was genuine in believing LSD was the answer to freeing the mind. Of course, looking for external, and especially manufactured (literally) solutions to spiritual and/or psychic (as in psyche) matters is always just a dodge. Gotta look in the mirror, Tim.
These guys were all big time eugenicists. DNA was supposedly “discovered” on an acid trip. If you believe that you believe Hoffman invented ergotamine.
Hadn’t heard that about Leary. I’m sure he was an elitist, but I’d have to see some evidence about his views on eugenics.
Leary believed in improving human consciousness and thus improving humans. Not by eliminating bad genes, but by freeing the mind. His later work was on using computer technology to stretch and train the brain. His partner in the Harvard studies was Richard Alpert, who became the spiritual teacher Ram Dass, who wrote “Be Here Now’ and founded the Seva Foundation dedicated to the yoga of service. He studied with a Guru in the east after having spiritual epiphanies on LSD. What Ram Dass said about LSD and spirituality was “LSD is like taking the elevator to the top floor…sometimes it is healthier to take the stairs”. I was fortuante to see both of them speak a number of times.
Nobody believes Hoffman invented ergotomine. Ergotomine is a natural substance derived from a specific mold. Hoffman had the idea ergotomines could be used for migraines and was looking the right formula when he stumbled onto LSD. How do we know this is true? What are ergotomines used for now? Migraine medications.