Joe, Vahid and I have more in common than decades in the tech industry: we have all recently been accused of being CIA agents by Jan Irvin. We talk about this and the wider problem in the alt-media of “everyone’s a shill” serving the divide-and-conquer agenda, which takes the focus away from real research.
Debunking Jan Irvin Part 2 (Updates)
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It has been a couple of days since I published Debunking Jan Irvin.
Rather than updating that already rather long post, I figured I’d just continue here. There’s some new information and evidence to share.
Yesterday I made a video about the post.
Since both of these publications, a lot of information has been flooding in. Jan has been active on the Internet for almost 10 years, and in that time has burned many bridges. I am not even in the first 100 people he has accused of being a CIA agent, or worse.
“The only game in town is co-operation”, I agree. He made a lot of good points here.
If you were a modern-day Captain Trips who wanted to launch DARPA’s new mind control operation with DMT and Ayahuasca, in conjunction with Joe Rogan, what a great cover to later become a voice “exposing” MKULTRA using decades-old information…then team up with Alex Jones “against” Rogan. Then Alex pulls the rabbit out of the DARPA hat by suddenly making up with Rogan and promoting DMT despite Jesus’ instructions to him to “destroy” Rogan.
Alex Jones suddenly ended his war with Joe Rogan, and shifted his stance on Ayahuasca and DMT from “evil CIA mind control drugs” to “vital Silicon Valley technology from DARPA and the breakaway civilization enabling access to the latest advances from other dimensions”. Yes, really!
Jan Irvin’s name was not mentioned in the 5 hour+ show. He definitely achieved the mission of familiarizing Alex’s audience with DMT and Ayahuasca before this surprise reconciliation. Jan primed them for Alex’s big revelations about interdimensional beings. The episode had more than 200,000 viewers on the live stream and will probably be the most widely viewed podcast in history, a record held by Alex and Joe from their last get-together on JRE #911.
Jan has been deleting any comment from his channel that links to my rebuttal post or video. Some YouTubers have reported their comments being deleted 4 times.
By his own admission Jan has also been trolling me on my channel with sock puppet accounts.
The actual people he says are bots are showing up in my thread and commenting and laughing at him. He acknowledges that “John Smith” is one of his sock puppet accounts, so he has exposed himself doing the things he is projecting onto me.
In the process of trolling, he manages to tell more lies – as we will prove with evidence.
Carl Hassell has given me permission to share the interactions with Jan that they are both referring to:
Apparently Jan caused a massive restructuring inside the CIA. How would he know this information if he was not an insider there? Is there any evidence for this? CIA Director John Brennan announced a major restructuring in March 2015, but didn’t mention Jan in his unclassified press release. Maybe he gets attribution in the classified version?
You can see how Irvin’s logical thinking process works. Joe Atwill was in New Zealand (with his wife who lived here for many years), I was in New Zealand, the two of us got together and recorded a free YouTube show How To Be A Truther…therefore, that is proof that the CIA is funding us. He actually expects people to respect his work while he blatantly ignores the Trivium like that.
“Everything’s in the New Testament and Tartary. All the religions fit together around Israel, I’m the only one who’s figured it out” – OK Jan, whatever you say mate. Publish or perish.
It didn’t take long before Jan’s paranoia kicked in and he turned on Carl, too.
This is the guy who introduced Jan to his wife, remember. You’d think Jan might be more polite. Instead he declined Carl’s offer to share his research; thankfully he’s decided to do that on my CryptoBeast YouTube channel instead.
Carl realized he had been manipulated by Jan, as you can see from this email to Matt Carney:
Date: January 26, 2018 at 1:50 PM
Subject: I was manipulated by JanHi Matt. I hope this letter finds you as well as possible. Man, did I get burned by Irvin. I trusted him. He lied & manipulated me for over a year. This morning I started repairing the damage I did in my online relationship with Zos. Zos was receptive and cordial. ( I p.m-d him earlier this morning.) Zos was the only one who answered me when I tagged him, Jan, Atwill, and Forte in a post on Jan.20th. As I told Z this morning, I felt his reply was a spin, and so I did not respond. When it became obvious Jan wasn’t going to answer me regarding the post,I p.m Jan,and the shit storm started, I have saved the p.m.’s with both Z & Jan. Anyway, I always trusted you because you and I shared large chunks of our life to the groups, and that said a lot to me. Socrates & I were bummed that you jumped out. Thanks, take care Matt. Carl Hassell
Here is my email interaction with Carl at the time. You will see the tone of it is rather different from Jan’s:
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 4:06:04 PM
Subject: Jan and stuffHi Carl. Matt let me know a few months ago that Jan had contacted him privately, saying that I am CIA and that the head of IT for the CIA was the administrator for my Conspiracies group on Facebook.
He laughed it off, as did I. It makes no sense that I would expose as much as I have – at great personal and financial cost – if I was working for them. Nor does it make sense that I would move to New Zealand – wouldn’t they want me to spy on a country that was a threat to the US?
I told Jan that I met Jim Woolsey, former CIA director, at a charity fundraiser in Washington DC about 10 years ago. At that point he had been retired from the CIA for more than a decade. If he had recruited me then as my handler, why would I tell anyone that story? It makes about as much sense as Douglas Dietrich’s claims that Michael Aquino recruited me from New Zealand when I was 6, through a British guy who was 9 at the time that I didn’t meet for another 30 years. I have met plenty of people in my life, heads of state, CEOs. I have been self-employed since I was 22, my business career is public knowledge. You can read about it on LinkedIn or Wikipedia.
My friend Vahid is someone I always used to talk about conspiracies with. Before 9/11 there were not that many of my friends even interested in a conversation about this topic. He and I would always talk about this stuff on Facebook, when I made the group in 2009 I invited him to be an admin – as I did another friend, Eric Doriean, who I also talk about conspiracies with. Vahid is a server salesman, he ran his own company BizCloud and when that failed had a number of jobs before he joined Amazon in 2015. He is a sales guy in their web services division, he is not the head of IT or anywhere near that senior. He launched an “NSA Comedy Tour” after the Snowden leaks came out to expose the deep state. Oh and he is Iranian, why would the CIA hire Iranians who hate the Deep State and put them in charge of their technology infrastructure?
Jan’s idea that we are spying on members of the group is ridiculous. First of all, Facebook was created by the CIA as a spying tool – I covered that in episode 1 of my Burners series. Why would they need a special group with a few hundred members in it? It makes no sense. Second, what spying is going on there? We all share stories and comment on them, there is nothing controversial or national security related in any way. The group has been going for 9 years and I have never once heard of anyone having anything bad happen in their life as a result of being a member.
This is where Jan’s use of the Trivium falls down, he uses grammar “beast = Satan”, “crypto = secret plot” but does not use logic. If I was a Satanist I would be promoting Satanism, not exposing it. I stand by my work, I am highly critical of Crowley and dark occultism and their whole agenda. How is that promoting it? Saying that my nightclub logo is a hat is just ridiculous. Crowley was part of the Top Hat gang anyway. Because some obscure heavy metal band has an album called CryptoBeast, if I name my show after that I must be a fan of the band? No logic at all. My wife loves Beauty and the Beast, a lot of girls do, she calls me her beast. She doesn’t mean it in a satanic way. If I was a satanist I would do and promote evil things, instead of always tweeting about #pedogate I would be trying to justify it and cover up for it.
Jan seems very committed these days to the Bible and his Fomenko theory of history. I understand some of what Fomenko is saying and it makes sense but my wife is Indian, the Indian culture is thousands of years old, there is plenty of evidence of that. Any time I asked Jan about it he called me names – again, this is not what the Trivium is all about. He says that the New Testament is a real book, primary source documentation – and yet there is no evidence at all of that. He says that Jesus is not a historical figure, and he has read Fomenko but I have not. But Fomenko says Jesus was a real historical figure, King Iesu who lived in the 1100’s!
Jan turned on me, as far as I can tell, just because I stuck up for Joe Atwill by saying “if Joe is a disinfo agent, show me some of the disinfo” – when I finally got an answer out of him, he said “Joe believes that Jerusalem was in Israel and Rome was in Italy”. The guy is a looney tunes, Rome is STILL in Italy and Jerusalem is still in Israel. There’s a huge controversy right now about Trump moving the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.
Before he turned on me, he contacted me privately many times to tell me people were agents. Some of the ones he named were Matt Carney (for being Phil Lesh’s nephew, which he told us about, it’s not some secret that Jan dug out), Nino Teauneaux (who went on Jan’s show, then Jan turned on him), Pearl Vashuda Chanter, Jay Dyer.
I met Joe’s wife on their recent visit to New Zealand. She is a committed buddhist. He hates Zionism and was talking about the history of it at some length in front of her. How can publicly exposing Zionism be promoting it?
It just makes no sense, so you have to wonder what Jan’s real agenda is. Why did he freak out when I and others suggested he debate Joe? Isn’t that the whole point of the Trivium, to prove your point with facts? Watch the interview he did with Robert Forte, you could tell Robert really wanted to share what he knew about Timothy Leary etc but Jan wouldn’t even let him get a word in, he just kept attacking him. Why did Jan block me on Facebook instead of presenting evidence of all the things he claimed about me? He said “i’m sick of the lies and the Crowley bullshit”, but never once said what lies he’s talking about. The only Crowley bullshit is thinking my nightclub logo is a hat, I am not a graphic designer and did not create the logo. I never said anything promoting Crowley, ever. I hate the guy.
Watch Joe’s Powers and Principalities shows with Tim Kelly, he is continuing to do what I liked him for – exposing the agenda of cultural debasement from the Zionists. He talks about that on every other show he goes on too, and has great information that he reveals about it. What has Jan done since his split with Joe? Burned a bunch of people, lost a lot of discussion and engagement from his Facebook page, and heavily pushed Jacob Duellman – who has some good research, but I find to be pretty boring. I guarantee you that within the next year or two Jan will turn on Jacob too.I have bothered to write this because I like you and your son and have enjoyed your contributions to our Facebook groups, even though we have never met face to face. I hope you and Socrates will friend me again and rejoin the groups.
I am sorry that I could not help you more to get your story out. [redacted]. I have bills to pay and I have been working my ass off since moving to New Zealand last July. I finished off my Burners series with Jan in 2017 but all the research for that was done in the previous years. I want to pick up my research again this year, but the next thing for me will be Charles Babbage in the 1800’s.
Cheers Steve
This is Carl’s reply to my email:
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Date: January 27, 2018 at 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: Jan and stuffSteve…Thank you for your letter. My apologies for taking so long to write back, I had to lay down for several hours due to [redacted], I stopped narcotic pain meds several years ago. So…ouch! Cannabis only goes so far sometimes! And I can only type with my index fingers and cant look away from the keyboard.First, I was sorry to hear about [redacted] , I am sure you went through the wringer over it. I have had a very, very rocky relationship with Jan since my first frantic phone call (That consisted of him mostly yelling at me!) and a rambling snail mail to him in about April 2016, and a few frantic emails. I originally hoped Jan would expose P.W. At first he was very excited by the thought, and dared me to go on the show. I declined because he was the guy exposing this kind of stuff. I was prepared to give him all of the information I had amassed, along with inside information only Clergy and select members would know. And so I supplied him with many, many things for the Brain Database. He used only a small portion of what I sent him.
Everything on the Brain Pages about Mana Truhill/Trujillo,Peyote Way, Peyote, and Mormons,NAC, etc. came from me. All of it. I also sent Jan a very rare book( I found 5 copies), I kept 2, and sent the other 2 to lifelong friends. After several months of nothing…no questions, comments, or even an acknowledgement that he read the book, I started to insert comments and links on Jans F.B.page, as he only got a small fraction of what I still had. If he had read that short book and compared it to PWCG’s webpage, alarm bells would go off, and he could have done a couple shows on it. I did watch Fortes interview when it happened, and I went back and forth with Forte for 2 days blasting him on Jans F.B.page. He reminds me of so many charlatans I’ve met over the years. I feel as long as one is promoting psychedelics, then they are advocating for it.
When I first contacted Jan, I didn’t know how to cut and paste! I was not internet savvy at all! He frequently and gleefully ridiculed me for my poor internet skills, and herky jerky emails. I improved since then. Jan also told me regarding PW, “We will get there Carl, patience” I finally realized he wasn’t going to do anything. And that puzzled me. I now believe he is probably controlled opposition or something. I suspect Forte has a part in it. I was also puzzled by the lack of interest from the rest of you guys. As for my post tagging all of you on Jan.20…My intent was to have it all on the table, I needed to know why the topic seemed to be dropped cold. AND I didn’t want any secrets, by putting you all on the spot simultaneously, no one could say I went behind their back. After over a year with no real interest shown by anyone, I made the post .I was supremely pissed when no one replied ,and I considered it a snub, as I was always civil, courteous, and cordial. (Except towards Forte!) And my info solid!! That’s when I childishly struck out at yourself & Joe. I am embarrassed and sorry for that. I p.m Jan early in the morning on Jan.21, because it looked like he was gonna ignore the post also…I saved all of the pms.,I will send the whole exchange if you want. let me know, as this letter is already long.
In the pm, Jan got very angry and accusatory and took many things out of context and mis-characterized other things. His rambling comments got quite bizarre. When I said “I may sound crazy, but it looks like Zos may be a Satanist”( Based on what flimsy evidence Jan supplied.) he quickly launched into a tirade of how “the CIA is restructuring because I exposed the whole thing”, and “why the fuck would you write the enemy asking to go on their show” ( I did not ask anyone to put me on a show.) He went into “their all devils using my show to fight” and “Bill Joslins dirty too, he got compromised” “all of them, they are all dirty” he also said I was “trolling his friends list”, when his list is not viewable as you know! We had a mutual friend, (Mark Wharhol) and I asked him if he was the ex-member of PW Jan had told me about. Mark was the only person I asked! Jan also said he “exposed PWCG”, and there was nothing left to say!! WHAT?? He NEVER uttered the words. Never typed the words either!!
After listening and watching shows for over a year by the 3 of you guys, I knew PWCG was perfect to bring the research up to the present, as it is an ongoing, current operation with all the ties outlined in the Brain…and then some.I have listened to all the Kelly67 shows with Joe, and have commented on a few. I look forward to each installment. I know you don’t control F.B. Steve, I wasn’t inferring that.
To wrap this up…I’m done trying to expose PW with anyone’s help, I see it ain’t gonna happen. I know I hit some kind of home run with PW, and that’s why it went sideways and nowhere. Something is very strange about Jan’s leading me on for over a year, and then claiming he covered it.As far as who is or is not CIA, it really doesn’t matter to me…I am 60 yrs.old, sick, broke, have no connections, and very insignificant in the scheme of the big picture. I sincerely thank you for this email, Steve. It means a lot to me. Carl Hassell.
P.S.I did email Matt after you & I talked. I hope he gets back to me.
Later Carl and Jan had a public falling out over Jan’s show where he was very disparaging to Alcoholics Anonymous.
None of the people on the show had fully read The Big Book or completed all 12 steps of a program. A.A. has saved millions of lives and has an extremely high efficacy rate. Why would Jan Irvin, a former promoter of hallucinogens, cannabis and other narcotics, be trying to steer people away from A.A. without putting in the time to even read the book? Why not get a guest on to talk about it who had been through the 12 steps? Who benefits from Jan’s attack on A.A.?
Because Carl criticized Jan for getting the grammar wrong, in Jan’s mind this is now proof that Carl is a paid troll in the employ of the CIA:
The information Carl has shared shows that Jan is lying once more. He did not “recently” get a Facebook message from Carl. That was an exchange from more than a year ago – for Jan, more than 1 wife ago. He also clearly did not stop working with Carl because he was part of some troll team. Instead, he declined to publish Carl’s research, then after I had him on my show, decided that Carl was now a troll on the payroll of the CIA targeted at Jan. Once again, no evidence is ever presented for Jan’s allegations. Carl is obviously an independent person just trying to get his research out.
The Gnostic Media Slayer channel has some interesting stuff. Is this why Jan suddenly changed the name after so many years building his brand?
This video is particularly disturbing:
Jan’s Twitter account was the much more recognizable @gnosticmedia from 2013 until 20 January 2019 after a series of tweets attacking black people, feminists, and LGBT. Was he instructed to clean that up before going on InfoWars on 21 January 2019?
A comparison of @LogosMedia01 and the Wayback machine’s last backup of @GnosticMedia on Jan 20 2019 shows that he deleted Tweets from his timeline at the time of the change. This retweet seems particularly controversial:
None of the evidence I have posted so far has been enough to convince Jan to stop slandering me with unsubstantiated information.
If there was something occult in my software company, give an example of it. Jan can’t, because there wasn’t. What part of web authoring is chaos magic? Please explain. Point to somewhere I used chaos magic to do something. You only need to provide one example to show that you are not just making this up.
Meanwhile, here is evidence of Jan Irvin directly connecting himself to occult magic. Why is Jan so pleased to associate himself with the Golden Dawn, Aleister Crowley’s Masonic cult?
How does he claims this topic is “his work” when so many researchers have actually published books about it, and the Church Committee held public hearings on it 45 years ago? The Golden Dawn linked to an Alex Jones video, they didn’t cite anything by Jan Irvin. Perhaps Jan means that “the CIA/DMT Mind Control program” is his work? He seems to have done more to advance that program than almost anyone else.
Is Jan’s very recent Bible study related to his re-joining of the Zionist InfoWarriors?
He published “the Holy Mushroom and the Cross” and wrote a book called “Astro-theology and Shamanism: Christianity’s Pagan Roots” without ever reading the Bible himself? More pretend use of the Trivium.
His own behavior doesn’t stop him from lecturing others:
Another logical leap for Irvin to explain: why am I filing FOIA requests on the CIA if I work for them? Couldn’t I just get the documents from their intranet? If it’s all part of my cover story, why didn’t they respond by giving me anything more juicy – like, say, #InsigniaGate or Dark Overlord?
I have been on the Internet for 25 years, and in all that time have never encountered such accusations as this mentally unhinged person is making against me, entirely without evidence. Was every journalist who ever covered me before completely wrong, and only Jan Irvin got the scoop (from my own words?) Or could it be that Jan Irvin has no idea what he is talking about, can’t remember my first slide – and doesn’t want to admit that – so he is trying to spin falsehoods into truths?
All I can do is present evidence. If you care about that, you’ll be on my side because this is where all the evidence is. If evidence doesn’t matter, what matters are baseless allegations and sophistry, then you can join Jan’s side. The hate group running trolls and sock puppet accounts – at least he has now openly admitted that he’s doing it.
Before Jan introduced Joe Rogan to Ayahuasca (2003), promoted it on the JRE podcast (2011), went on Alex Jones for the first time (2011), and helped launched the CIA’s latest MKULTRA project to popularize modern hallucinogens…we don’t really know what he did. Ethno-botany? Drug advocacy? We know he was in Serbia in the 90’s before, during, and after the war and he speaks the language fluently. His earlier Internet footprints are very light and his resumé is a secret. He has dramatically changed his appearance and even his voice.
This seems eerily similar to #govLARP-er Jason Goodman who “never went to Ukraine” but 2 weeks after the Maidan Revolution broke out there was presenting on stage as CEO of a company that just flew advanced imagery drones over Chernobyl.
Jan Irvin is registered as an Agent and business contact for the American Serbian Association for Peace, a California non-profit :
I found a Serbian-American Association for Peace on CNN and an American-Serbian Association . The Internet footprints are lighter for the mysterious American-Serbian Association for Peace. They were incorporated in 1999, during the Serbian war.
The Serbians know all about InfoWar, or “Neo-Cortical Warfare”. Through a combination of diet, music, computers, hallucinogenic drugs, and weaponized use of the Trivium, the actual minds of the youth can literally be re-shaped. Happy Meals become Satanic weapons.
Geomagnetic forces or not, Serbia is ready. According to Spasoje Vlajic, writing in Cudo, the Yugoslavian army has set up a special squad – the secretive para-psychology Unit 69 – to confront the black magic forces deployed by the US army. Vlajic, who played a key role, he says, in setting up the unit for the Yugoslavian general staff, warns his readers that “voodoo warriors and witches are already among US troops in Kosovo“. Vlajic cites an American magazine called The Military Review, and says US warlocks and witches trained at a secret base in Texas for their mission in Kosovo – which is to draw out and defeat the Serbian anti-magic Unit 69. The commander of the American unit is one Mary Palmer, a member of the US army military police, he adds authoritatively. Since the war, dozens of Serbian “clairvoyants” and “paranormal experts” have stepped forward to join these publications, ready to give guidance of a kind to their bewildered readers as they struggle to find their bearings after 72 days of Nato bombing.
Source: The Independent, August 1999
Here’s Jan writing in 1999 about the CIA and his involvement with the Serbian war since 1995 (warning: contains graphic violence) link
Here is an interview with Jan talking about CIA, Nazis and his involvement with Yugoslavia. It sounds like a different person with a different accent.
He claims to have predicted the war 3.5 years before it broke out. How did he have access to that level of intelligence? He claims to be against both Slobodan Milosevic and the US/NATO. Controlled opposition?
Hat tip to @Sir_Bintercomb who has been researching Marina Abramovic and her family’s ties to Serbian military intelligence.
Jan seems to have gone from the Serbian war, to the War on Drugs – Jack Herer, doing shrooms with Joe Rogan in 2003, a decade or so promoting the psychedelics, then switches over to his work “exposing” them – which is really just calling all the other books exposing them limited hangouts.
The evidence I have shared proves conclusively that Jan Irvin is a liar and a sophist. He is not operating in Truth, “Logos”, trying to help people learn about what is going on in the world despite what #FakeNews tells you. Instead, he has been pushing his own Puritcanical Christian view of how things should be: “cannabis bad, LGBT bad, vegetarians bad, Tartarians good, lies good, ad hominem attacks good, logic bad”.
Jan claims to be a proof-based researcher dedicated to the Truth. But when it was exposed that one of his guests was a child sex trafficking pedophile, part of a Doomsday cult, did he Correct The Record? No, he just deleted some of the pedo’s shows. The one titled “The Twelve Tribes of Israel” got to stay there.
We know that Ayahuasca was part of the CIA’s MKULTRA program, here’s the evidence again straight from the mouth of Willis Harmon (Stanford Research Institute)’s special agent, Canadian Captain Al Hubbard told to CIA operative psychologist Dr Timothy Leary in front of MKULTRA project manager Dr Sidney Gottlieb, and other key project leaders:
To me it is really looking like the CIA launched DMT/Ayahuasca operations with Jan Irvin, with a “double bind” cover built into the plans like a dynamite fuse…at some point during the operation he would then flip. He would attack the exposed in 1975 op MKULTRA using already published evidence. This would provide cover for the “modern MKULTRA” operations, as described by Alex Jones in the video below. This character was promoted as a “Pied Piper” for Internet #truthers. He would then attack every legitimate whistleblower as a “limited hangout” to discredit them.
If you listen to what Alex says in this video he is disclosing in plain speak the entire operation. Start at 56:30
There are some amazing statements made in this video, I may update this post later with a transcript or highlights.
Here’s some eyewitness testimony…short of a memo saying “let’s go commit crime X together” that is about the best evidence you can get. This is about one of the several pedophiles closely associated with Jan who was convicted in court and died in jail, so you know that the evidence behind this is extremely solid.
From Reddit:
[Source: Reddit]
The police caught Jan in the middle of downloading content from a hard drive. What would Jan be downloading from a pedophile’s computer?
A discussion at The Shroomery provides further insight into Jan’s relationship with Jack Herer and James Arthur. Typically, Jan’s comments were later deleted; but Jack’s wife Jeannie’s responses to them were not.
This is Jeannie Herer responding to parts of Jan Irving’s post.
Jan: About a week later, Jack decided to move in with Jim up in Yosemite to work on the book together. Jack and his wife had been going through some hard times, and his wife had moved out into a nearby apartment.
Jeannie: Jack and I have been together for nearly nine years and the only time we were apart was when Jack went to North Fork to work on the book with Jim. I had rented a room near our apartment to use as an office because our 2-bedroom apartment was way overcrowded. Jack?s son and his cousin had moved into the bedroom Jack used as an office and my office was half of a small closet in our bedroom. Kyle and the H.E.M.P. office were in our dining room. I never spent a night away from our apartment until Jack moved to Jim?s.
Jan: Jack?s wife Jeanie, looked at this situation as ?Jim stole Jack from me,? (her words) even though they were not living together at that time.
Jeannie: When we first met Jim, I was glad Jack had found someone who knew so much about his favorite subject. Jim told us it would only take three months to finish the book. That?s why I stayed in L.A. I had just rented the office and didn?t see any reason to give it up if it was only going to be for three months. If I had known it was going to be 14 months I would have gone up there in the beginning. After a year had passed I did feel like Jim was trying to manipulate Jack.
Jan: Jack?s wife told Jack that she did not want ?Jack Herer? on the cover of a book next to Jim?s name. However, we?ve all since agreed that Jim?s name would remain on the book, and/or to go public with a letter like this, had his name been destroyed?
Jeannie: You say ?we?ve all since agreed.? That sounds like I agreed, too. Jack may have agreed to that but I didn?t.
Jan: Jack also wanted to stand by Jim but Jeanie?s anger that Jim had stolen Jack from her, prevented him in taking any active role in supporting Jim. Jack?s wife threatened immediate divorce if Jack stood by Jim in any way.
Jeannie: The reason Jack didn?t stand by Jim is because he believed Jim molested those children. Three weeks after Jim was arrested, Jack went with you to visit him in jail. At that time, Jim didn?t deny what he had done. He told the two of you to read Wilhelm Reich and you would understand. You both told me after that visit there was no doubt in your minds that Jim was guilty.
Jan: I now also suspect that ?Ms V? robbed Jim?s house while Jack and Jim had been at the Cannabis Cup 5 months before.
Jeannie: She was with Jack and Jim at the Cannabis Cup.
Jan: What I think actually happened is that ?Ms. V? took advantage of the opportunity to take Jim?s property, using Jack for cover as he was getting some books per our agreement. There is no doubt that ?Ms V? had the computers. There is no doubt that she denied it for months. There is no doubt that she attempted to entrap others into this miserable mess.
Jeannie: The reason she and Jack went to Jim?s house in the first place is because Dan called me in a rage and told me to tell her that if she didn?t get her stuff out that night he was going to throw it all out.
Jan: Andy had mentioned briefly to Jim that I had located the computer and went to back it up. Jim, wanting to prove his innocence, and the burglary, sent the sheriff to Jack?s house looking for ?Ms V? and the computer after I had backed up the system.
Jeannie: The police didn?t come after you backed up the system. They showed up while you were sitting on our living room couch downloading things off Jim?s computer. You knew it was stolen because we told you she had admitted to Jack that day that she took it. You stashed it under the table next to the couch when the police came. I didn?t even know you were coming to our house that night until you showed up at the door.
Jan: I also think Jeanie Herer made a grave error by calling everyone involved in this field and telling them only her side of the story, before any conviction had been made.
Jeannie: I don?t know anyone in this field other than you, Jack and Jim. Who did I call? Some people did call us and I told them what I knew.
What is your motive in trying to make me look bad? Is it because Jim wrote the forward to your new book and you want to make him look good?
More from Jeannie Herer in a second post:
This is Jeannie Herer again. I’m not used to posting so I don’t know how to do the quotes. That’s why I’m putting names by them.
Jan: Were you and Jack not going through troubles then? I didn’t want to go into the details here. I heard you mention divorce several times during this period.
Jeannie: Yes, Jack and I were having troubles then, but I wasn?t leaving him.
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Jan: Due to the size of the manuscript, and the fact that it was clearly not going to take three months, and being that Jack and Jim had told us they expected it to take one year, in what way was Jim trying to manipulate Jack?
Jeannie: When you first brought Jim to our house, he said it would take three months. Jack believed that. The Song of Solomon and Jonah were finished within the first two months. They were working on it about 50 hours a week. At that time they didn?t have a secretary working with them. They were doing all the work themselves. After Jim moved the secretary and her daughter into his house, he was only willing to work on the book 10 to 15 hours a week, at the most. He spent most of his time with the little girl and other kids that came over. Jack says he complained to you about this many times.
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Jan: This was my point. You not being a co-author on the book, didn’t have any say so in agreeing or not agreeing. This is Jack’s dream that we were trying to help him realize from the begining. We were trying to make Jack happy, you happy, and trying to figure out what to do in this situation, and, if Jim was guilty, what should be done about the cover. You didn’t want Jack to have anything to do with this book, his dream. You wanted him to just walk away from it.
Jeannie: I?m not implying I had any say so. I?m just clearing up what you said. You said we all agreed since then. It sounded like you were including me. I have always wanted Jack to write this book. The information Jack taught me about mushrooms and religion changed my life. I just didn?t want him having anything to do with a pedophile.
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Jan: You weren’t at the jail, and you don’t know what Jim said. Jim said, and I quote: “Do you guys really think I raped those girls, do you know what the charges against me are? I never had sex with this girls…Read Reich and you will understand.” During the first couple weeks, Jack told me that he had never seen anything that suggested this. As the case progressed, he changed his mind. At that time, so early in the case, before seeing both sides, and understanding the burglery, I too thought sure that Jim was more likely guilty than not. All of the other circumstances that have come out since make me question the entire case.
Jeannie: I know what you and Jack told me and you both told me you thought Jim was guilty after visiting him in jail.
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Jan: This I did not know for sure. Thank you for clarifying this. Then who did the first burglery? This still needs to be investigated.
Jeannie: I don?t know who did the first burglary but I wish you would just stick to the facts and stop making things up.
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Jan: This I also did not know. This is not how Danny told me the story. Thank you for bringing this to light.
Jeannie: Why are you taking everything Danny tells you as God?s truth? Why don?t you ask Jack?
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Jan: Actually, I was finished backing up the system. I was looking for any evidence against Jim at the time the police showed up. I was not aware it was stolen before this day, before I drove back up there, that night. When the sheriff showed up, that was when I realized the magnatude of the situation.
Jeannie: You said Valerie admitted to you on the 16-hour trip that she had taken it. Jack and I didn?t find out it was stolen until the day you came up there to download the hard drive.
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Jan: I also know that you told High Times, and anyone else who called. You always implied that Jim was already guilty, and that he had a previous, never explaining the details of the previous situation, or, to my knowledge, about Ms V.
Jeannie: You are the one who went to the police station and confirmed to Jack and I that Jim had a prior in the first place. I don?t know for sure what he did and you don?t either. You?re taking Dan?s word for it. After Jim was arrested, the Fresno Bee reported that he had two priors, one in 1984 in Salt Lake City when he was convicted for a sex crime with children under 14. The second one was in 1996. I don’t know the details of either of them.
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Jan: I’m sorry Jeannie, I’m not trying to cause any malice between you and I. These are the facts of the matter (some I had confused) to the best of our knowledge, which need to be told for people to understand the entire situation, and the attacks against your husband.
Jeannie: The facts of the matter to the best of your knowledge seem to be much more than confused to me.
[Source: The Shroomery]
Joe Rogan tells the story from about 56 minutes about the first time he met Jan at Jack Herer’s place with James Arthur. Joe immediately identified the pedophile as a “dangerous animal” who he wanted to kill. Irvin obviously didn’t get that sort of vibe from the guy, instead trying to download content from his laptop until the police showed up.
There’s quite a bit of discussion on Reddit from people suspicious of Jan Irvin’s appearance on the psychedelic scene with a pedophile guru. Is Dugovic a Serbian name? From another Reddit thread:
Lowest rung on the ‘independent research’ fringe ladder.
Irvin’s ‘inspiration’ and or-RIDGE-ins, are a skeleton in his closet. His imitation or plagiarism of ‘research’ of – an ‘independent ethnomycologist researcher’ (as Irvin claims for himself) – one of the sickest fakes in fringe history:
Irvin’s whole operation started as an imitation of “James Arthur” – and his ‘association of psychedelic mushrooms with Christianity’ traveling ‘research show’ …
But ‘James Arthur’ was actually J. A. Dugovic. Irvin’s inspiration, hero, and soon Best Friend – was a convicted child sex assailant, not a researcher. When Dugovic, or “Arthur” to his loyalists – got out of jail – he faced a problem much like Chas Manson upon his release from prison. Livelihood. Like Manson, Dugovic saw what he liked and liked what he saw – opportunity! – in the gullible circus tent of psychedelia’s fringe bottom lands. Similar with Irvin – no college degree, no job skills or prospects only … bills to pay. McKenna too would ‘understand’ … although he was no pedophile, by accounts.
Irvin’s self-promo began by soliciting Dugovic fans, citing his ‘research,’ not knowing “Arthur’s” real name – and real interest – stalking fresh prey. The truth came out, true colors shining thru, when Dugovic ‘repeat offended’ – and got arrested again on yet another pedophilic rampage. That’s when it all unravelled … and the legacy, what a sickness.
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/california/madera/james-arthur-dugovic/98283011
For Irvin’s investment, urgent ‘damage control’ need arose – to cover up his ‘debt’ to ‘Arthurian legend; a tainting reflection upon NostickMedia’s debt to – a pedophilic ‘sheep clothing’ act.
Like Irvin the “James Arthur” show rips off Allegro, and gets all up into stained-glass windows, to ‘decode’ the Secret History of psychedelics. A story line of sensational cover up and scandal etc.
Seems fitting for one like Irvin, with such a sick puppy of a skeleton in his closet – no clue that “Arthur the Researcher” of whom he’d became so enamored – was not just a charlatan; a psychosexual child assailant of a fake. Considering how high “Arthur” had risen in his little scene, & how far he now was falling – he opted out: killed himself. But before his distinguished finale, Irvin – as “Arthur’s” devoted friend with privileged access to “Arthur” house, computer – got there before police.
And from Irvin’s own comments, posted in a tizzy at the time – he took files of unknown content off ‘Arthur’s’ computer – “in the nick of time.” Seems he thought it quite a triumph at the time – even gloated about it – Until he had ‘2nd thoughts’ apparently, and – deleted his posts: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4062597/fpart/all/vc/1
But as reflects at the shroomery exchange – Jack Herer’s widow Jeannie showed up to bust Irvin’s act. Jeannie’s husband had gotten drawn in by the “Arthur / Irvin” duo – she was none too impressed by their act from the gitgo.
As the posted exchange reflects, Jeannie – calling Yawn out on his story-time bs – copied some in his remarks into her posts – to answer. And in so doing, she not only put lie to his Irvin’s ‘damage control’ 911 attempt – to cover up the “Arthur” scandal (in which he centrally figured). She also preserved some of his naked deceit – against his incompetent retraction or ‘unposting’ attempt. She foiled his desperate back-peddling maneuver – in effect, preserving Yawn’s blatant lies for posterity, in the record (and let it reflect).
By indications (e.g. different views – https://www.facebook.com/daniel.pinchbeck/posts/10151559896411262) some think child porn is what Irvin got off Dugovic’s computer. Others say it was ‘research’ for ‘Arthur’s’ next book, as planned – never published (after his arrest and suicide).
Yet based on appearances and suspicions raised – “Arthur’s” “work” may have been published after all, ‘re-authored’ – or plagiarized – by Irvin – as his own. As convenient for him, with his Good Buddy “Arthur” self-destructed – per another saying:
“Deadmen tell no tales”
Under UV ‘black light’ of Irvin’s ‘untold history’ – his act lights up. His preoccupation with some Secret History – consumed with skeletons in peoples’ closets – fluoresces like true colors that try to hide, but come shining thru.
Tabloid scandalizing is the very axis of Irvin’s story cycles, 24/7 – all cover ups, all the time. Irvin’s compulsive themes are all scandalous cover ups, ‘smoking guns’ and finger pointing etc – always 180 degrees away from himself – toward others.
Is it because Irvin desperately needs to keep directing ‘bombshell’ attention toward others in a 360 circle – surrounding him – lest such interest wonder, even ask inconvenient questions – about him? Gee, I wonder. Knowing what I do …
People who live in glass houses can worry over its fragility – even be driven a little mad, into throwing stones at others. Courting disaster as it were, proverbially. Not the smartest thing for people in such predicaments.
The skeleton in Yawnni’s closet is no doubt a source of chronic fear to him – for what it could spell, if topic ever turned that way.
A lot of NoStick Media looks like a driven effort to keep it hidden from view. He’s driven to inflammatory diversion tactics – sensationalism about easy targets (Tmac, Leary etc). Irvin seems to live in fear, and his paranoiac psychodrama is off the scale. No wonder. His nightmare scenario might aptly be designated: “Arthurgate”
Another post by Doctorlao from the same thread highlighted the “Texas Two-Step” behavior of Jan in befriending researchers then turning on them:
About a claim posed here, as if running interference on behalf of poor misunderstood Gnostic (in a post by our OP, ostensibly replying to one of mine) – alleging Carl Ruck is a friend of Irvin.
Like Irvin has friends? Mkay.
I know Ruck personally (and don’t generally find his analyses involving fly agaric compelling). On ‘insider’ personal contact basis, I’m well aware – of how he’s been exploited by Irvin’s deceit and manipulative self-promotion routine. From my own standpoint, and from Ruck’s, both. But Ruck is only one in an entire raft of experts in various fields, on whom Yawn has played his scurrilous game. I guess he has to, for his purposes – he’s got bills to pay, and gets people to toss donation pennies to him for the show he puts on.
Once Upon A Time – Irvin solicited Ruck, to ‘befriend’ him. It’s exactly how Irvin operates, desperate for some “PhD” expertise to lend its weight to his ‘Psychedelic Mushrooms’ (which fly agaric isn’t – hello?) ‘and Christianity’ story telling. Its part of the Gnostic M.O. to panhandle rubes who don’t see through his Fly Agaric Oil medicine show. Irvin needs guys like Ruck, as expert coat tails to ride.
Ruck, as I can attest, in no way considers Irvin a friend – by any measure. Same as everyone else Yawn has played his relational ‘double cross’ scam on. He first emails whoever he’s set his sites on, to introduce himself. He panders to them at stage one, plays up to them with interest in their work, flattery and etc. All on account of what he wants – as Aesop’s fox craved those grapes and damn well meant to have them, by hook or crook. See NoStick is poverty stricken, academically speaking – no college degree. Nor any shred of disciplinary education in any curriculum.
Geez even Tmac had an undergrad degree, Bachelor’s.
After getting whatever input or info from his target – Ruck and a raft of other specialists unwarily tagged ‘It’ by Irvin – he turns on them, abruptly and malignantly. In his Gnostic finale, Irvin starts talking shit about Ruck or whoever has tried, in generosity and good faith – to help. As ‘the thanks they get’ from Irvin – he turns Ruck and others into characters for his staged ‘Gnostic Theorizing Comics’ show – super friends make good super villains?
What shines through is the consistency of Irvin’s Texas Two Step modus operandi: ‘first flatter & befriend – then ambush-backstab & betray.’
Irvin’s guile, as the treachery of his ulterior motive – the way he keeps his true intentions up his sleeve, until he’s gotten what he wanted by acting the ‘friend – and cues the ‘ambush’ moment – is what shines through as his essential character distemper. About like the friendly spider invites the fly into it parlor, all hospitality – not to mention, such honesty. But the spider is hungry, and its a predator – so, what else is it supposed ta do?
Ask John Hoopes, Mayan specialist solicited by Friendly Yawn – who for years kindly tried to ‘help’ him in his ‘interest’ just like Ruck – neither realizing the ‘trap’ – the set up for despicable Gnostic back stabbing finale.
Yawn likes to portray himself as a ‘colleague’ of the degreed – like he’s an ‘associate’ of distinguished experts – trying to act himself “Innocent By Association.” Then comes the Gnostic ‘bait and switch’ – the true and dark purpose revealed, what he had in mind from the gitgo. He pulls his out his verbal prop dagger, and starts assassinating their character – from the ‘integrity’ of – right – his critical (terminal) absence of character. Cain would understand. He maliciously envied the favor his brother’s sacrifices got – that his didn’t. Sic semper sickness – as in mythology so in psychology: grimly determined intent of ulterior motive, to the bone, is incorrigible character distemper.
There’s no treatment for that kind of disorder. Guys like Yawn neither seek help, nor think there’s anything wrong with them. Incorrigible character disorder has no limits – Yawn displays a complete lack of healthy boundaries.
Seems to me (as one deeply and extensively informed) Yawn might be more careful dragging names through the mud – lest he get any of it splashed on himself. Especially considering his fawning imitation and/or plagiarism of … a pedophile acting himself a fake “independent entheogen researcher” (like his eager protege Yawn). Not even a real fraud, a psychosexual child assailant pretending to be a fake ‘researcher’ – as instrument of a much sicker psychosexual child stalking ‘interest.’ It was merely Dugovic’s way of playing idiotic Yawns of psychedelia’s fertile ‘bottom lands’ for all they’re worth. That’s Yawn’s training and mentoring – the ‘what and how’ ropes he learned, as he does … desperately fearing what lies ahead, his fate as it were. Like a one-man would-be Greek tragedy… and oh the suspense, gee, I wonder how it will all transpire.
Arthurgate – should be interesting to watch the trajectory of Yawn’s desperate cover-up of his ‘credentials’ and ‘tutoring’ – his debt to his former Best Buddy and inspiration, Alias James Arthur.
(http://duncantrussell.com/forum/discussion/8466/thoughts-on-jan-irvin/p1):
“Only amateurs and the ignorant take Irvin seriously. Is it coincidence that every single person who ever supported him in the psychedelic research community wants nothing to do with him? From his former writing partner A. Rutajit (who has a restraining order against that lunatic) to Carl Ruck at Boston Univ, a TRUE scholar who considers Irvin a phony. No one with any historical training or basic sense believes Jan Irvin. Even Judith Anne Brown, John Allegro’s daughter – thinks Irvin is a fraud at this point. Ben Sessa tried to give him a platform to speak, and Irvin started acting a maladjusted fool (as he is wont to do) – Sessa pulled his invitation.”
[Source: Reddit]
I don’t know anything about the above story “Arthurgate”, it feels like we are just scratching the surface. If you have any insight or suggestions please leave a comment.
Links:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4062597/fpart/1/vc/1
http://www.mindvox.com/pipermail/ibogaine/2005-April/016267.html
In this 2011 interview Jan Irvin is enthusiastically promoting ayahuasca and shamanism:
http://www.ayahuasca.com/psyche/jan-irvin-talks-with-steve-beyer/
“I’ve had some pretty interesting experiences myself on rare occasions of having the feeling that I was talking to a plant…
Speaking of that real quick, I remember one time being on ayahuasca and I looked over at a friend and I could see that he was sick and suddenly I could see the problem and I just started telling him: Hey, you need to do this, this and that. And it was nothing I had ever recalled having an ability to do before, but suddenly I could just see all of this person’s ills and exactly what was going on…
I’ve had extreme cases of telepathy with it on one or two, actually two, occasions that were with a couple of other friends, with several sitters in the room and several people witnessing what was going on; us also verbalizing the telepathic thoughts that were happening. But it started out while we were all in different rooms and suddenly we basically mind-locked, like the Vulcan mind meld or something. It was just a pure connection between me and the other partakers of the ayahuasca”
I caught YouTube red-handed reducing the view count on my Debunking Jan Irvin video. Why would they do that if he was just a civilian, a poor humble truther just praying to Jesus and looking up things on the Internet?
I found out that the account “Grace” that was trolling my YouTube comments was actually Jan’s current girlfriend, who he returned to after his divorce from Holly. She reveals their “it’s my way or you’re a Satanist” philosophy in this Facebook thread.
Her 18 year old daughter Bella participates in the thread too, she was recently on Jan’s show talking about sex and contraception.
Jan accused me of running teams of trolls, I have presented evidence now that 2 trolls in the comment section to my video – almost the only negative comments other than Jan himself – are accounts operated or influenced by him. He projects onto me as accusations what he himself is guilty of – a classic inversion.